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The Forbidden Rumi: The Suppressed Poems of Rumi on Love, Heresy, and Intoxication Paperback – 14 Feb. 2006

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After his overwhelming and life-altering encounters with Shams of Tabriz, Rumi, the great thirteenth-century mystic, poet, and originator of the whirling dervishes, let go of many of the precepts of formal religion, insisting that only a complete personal dissolving into the larger energies of God could provide the satisfaction that the heart so desperately seeks. He began to speak spontaneously in the language of poetry, and his followers compiled his 44,000 verses into 23 volumes, collectively called the Divan. When Nevit Ergin decided to translate the Divan of Rumi into English, he enlisted the help of the Turkish government, which was happy to participate. The first 22 volumes were published without difficulty, but the government withdrew its support and refused to participate in the publication of the final volume due to its openly heretical nature. Now, in The Forbidden Rumi, Will Johnson and Nevit Ergin present for the first time in English Rumi’s poems from this forbidden volume. The collection is grouped into three sections: songs to Shams and God, songs of heresy, and songs of advice and admonition. In them Rumi explains that in order to transform our consciousness, we must let go of ingrained habits and embrace new ones. In short, we must become heretics.

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“For the past fifty years Nevit Ergin has been working to bring into English the entirety of Rumi’s vast Divani Shamsi Tabriz. This last volume is the most incendiary and it clearly dissolves the boundaries of organized religion and national ego that keep us from the table of friendship that Rumi invites us to. . . . We are very grateful to Dr. Ergin for his life’s work.” ― Coleman Barks, translator of The Essential Rumi

"It takes a great deal of courage to read
The Forbidden Rumi as it may press a lot of buttons, not only about your own pathway to God, but your views and prejudices about love, religion, heresy and Islam.

"All of Rumi’s poems have enjoined us to release the rules and open our hearts to our inner treasure of love, but these most controversial poems cut to the bone.

"This final book of Rumi’s poems is a must-read for any serious student of spiritual ecstasy. They pose questions that make us wonder and re-evaluate our views about a religion that is portrayed as governed by extremists. They reveal a hidden face of Islam that may surprise even moderate Islamists.

"Most importantly, these poems reveal that Islam too has always had a mystical, transcendent element that is its purest gift." ―
Lesley Crossingham, New Dawn, Mar-Apr 2007

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RELIGION / POETRY "For the past fifty years Nevit Ergin has been working to bring into English the entirety of Rumi's vast Divan-i Kebir. This last volume is the most incendiary, and it clearly dissolves the boundaries of organized religion and national ego that keep us from the table of friendship that Rumi invites us to. . . . We are very grateful to Dr. Ergin for his life's work." Coleman Barks, translator of The Essential Rumi After his overwhelming and life-altering encounters with Shams of Tabriz, Rumi, the great thirteenth-century mystic, poet, and originator of the whirling dervishes, let go of many of the precepts of formal religion, insisting that only a complete personal dissolving into the larger energies of God could provide the satisfaction that the heart so desperately seeks. He began to speak spontaneously in the language of poetry, and his followers compiled his more than forty-four thousand verses into twenty-three volumes, collectively called the Divan-i Kebir. When Nevit Ergin decided to translate Rumi's divan into English, he enlisted the help of the Turkish government, which was happy to participate. The first twenty-two volumes were published without difficulty, but the government withdrew its support and refused to participate in the publication of the final volume due to its openly heretical nature. Now, in The Forbidden Rumi, Nevit Ergin and Will Johnson present for the first time in English Rumi's poems on love and intoxication from this forbidden volume. The collection is grouped into three sections: songs to Shams and God, songs of advice and admonition, and songs of heresy. Rumi explains that in order to transform our consciousness, we must let go of ingrained habits and embrace new ones. In short, we must become heretics. NEVIT O. ERGIN, a Turkish-born surgeon, is the original translator of the entirety of Rumi's 44,829 verses into English. He has been a student of Sufism and the poetry of Rumi since 1955 and published his first Rumi translation in 1992. With the publication of The Forbidden Rumi, his translation of Rumi's work is complete. He lives in California. WILL JOHNSON is the founder and director of the Institute for Embodiment Training, which combines Western somatic psychotherapy with Eastern meditation practices. He is the author of several books, including the award-winning Rumi: Gazing at the Beloved. He lives in British Columbia.

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  • Publisher ‏ : ‎ Inner Traditions; Translation edition (14 Feb. 2006)
  • Language ‏ : ‎ English
  • Paperback ‏ : ‎ 176 pages
  • ISBN-10 ‏ : ‎ 1594771154
  • ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-1594771156
  • Dimensions ‏ : ‎ 22.61 x 14.99 x 1.52 cm
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  • Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 2 November 2013
    For everyone who has a living master, this is a gem. to see one masters love towards his master. also great in advise to followers, and support to the humanity. it contains so much love, if you are living at this lane you will see it. little sad about the usa way of always starting with the "I" at places, there are better ways to start a line that lets the reader see him self, rather than the "I" of someone else. also, don't care about the politics the translators do have, if you have a living master, one don't need this speculation. rumi is the big brother of sheakspear!
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  • Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 14 September 2009
    This is one of my favorite Rumi collections. The poems are passionate and meaningful, and provide comfort to anyone who identifies with the confusion that life brings. This is one in my collection i can pick up and read whenever I need some inspiration from the great master. A real gem of a book for all Rumi lovers. The translations are also well done, and I prefer these to those of Coleman Banks
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  • Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 13 July 2011
    Overall, I wouldn't recommend this book for someone who's just starting to get into Rumi. The translations aren't particularily poetic and fail to capture some of the ecstasy and magic other translators do--they are very straightforward, bland and include some jarringly modern words (liberal use of "crazy", "belly button", "son of a bitch" and some other very modern American terms). On a more positive note, this isn't as extensive as with Coleman Barks's modernised reinterpretations and the translations seem to be closer to the original text. It's just that the English renditions are fairly bland and simple, which waters down the poetic strength of the originals. You need a poet to translate poetry and a comedian to translate jokes, and Ergin and Johnson seem amateurs rather than poets. However accurate a job Ergin and Johnson have done, the end result doesn't carry the full gut-punching power inherent in the original poems. The translators also spend quite some time going on about how heretical and ecstatic and powerful the material is, when there's hardly more heresy or intoxication here than you'd find in any other Rumi collections--if you're looking for some hitherto hidden, dangerous, powerful material, you will be disappointed. I could think of half a dozen Rumi collections that had similar material, with equal amounts of poetry that'd be considered heretical to fundamentalists (in both 13th century Anatolia and in the 21st century). So don't be fooled--this particular collection, despite its title and its commentaries, isn't as radical as it claims to be.

    All in all, the collection includes a couple of gems, but even then I get the feeling that other translators would've rendered the basic messages more beautifully. Seekers of such beauty should go for collections translated/rendered by Maryam Mafi and Azima Melita Kolin (my favourite Rumi translators of all time), Jonathan Star or Shahram Shiva. Even the rather bland and matter-of-fact Helminskis do a better job when it comes to overall style. I'd only recommend this book if you're a serious Rumi collector and want to get your hands on as many of his poems as possible.
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  • Pavitra R.
    5.0 out of 5 stars best of Rumi
    Reviewed in India on 6 January 2014
    The best of Rumi's books! Some of the poems are hard to understand, some are just brilliant, all in all I think it's the most interesting part of his work..
  • Ross
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    Reviewed in the United States on 2 December 2017
    A book for all who seek more ,those who understand crazy wisdom and aren't afraid to plunge whole heartedly for their ultimate passion: Truth!
  • Dr Art
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    Reviewed in the United States on 21 August 2013
    Mystical writings about the nature of reality--breaks open the whole western paradigm relaying to duality. It's time for a new paradigm, and this book will help.
  • Sharron C
    5.0 out of 5 stars I'm a Rumi fan.
    Reviewed in the United States on 28 November 2012
    I'm a Rumi fan so I'd recommend this to anyone though the poetry is less scandalous than the title would lead you to believe.